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From: [e-mail] (JL Orgill)
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Subject: Re: PageStream3.0
Date: 28 Feb 1996 21:40:55 GMT
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Dennis Grant ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <4gdcdv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JL Orgill) writes:
: > Dennis Grant ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > Whooaaa there!!!!
: > You are obviously a beta tester from the version no, and you're in a
: > completely different situation to the rest of the punters out here. You
: > at least have communication. There's even the possibiltity that softlogik
: > give you reliable info.
: No, I'm not. Soft-Logik will give you beta versions if you ask for them. Go
: to the Soft-Logik BBS and read the MOTD.

I do believe I mention elsewhere that I don not own (and cannot currently
afford) a modem. Therefore the only info I have recieved _direct_ from
Soft-Logik is a newsletter about 6 months ago telling me about additions
to a package that wasn't yet complete. (Kevin although helpful is a beta
tester, and for about the last month has repeatedly said "hopefully a
week". As far as I'm aware he is not an official representative. Then
again I could be wrong.)

: > : Where else do you see a company that doesn't just fix their bugs, but adds
: > : new features, on a monthly basis? For free?
: >
: > Boy are you gonna get flamed for that statement.

: Why? It's true. When was the last time MicroSloth or Corel gave you a free
: bugfix?

That was meant to be a flippant comment, smiley got lost, but I do not
agree with the original statement. I'm sorry but unlike yourself there
are a great many Amigans who do not have an Internet account. There are
many who do not own a modem. Furthermore, have you considered the cost of
a long-distance (read transatlantic) phonecall, which would take a great
deal of time to download the beta. I do not consider lengthy
transatlantic phonecalls to be free. Maybe you are in a position to be
flippant about such costs. Others are not. I'm quite lucky, I at least
have internet access. I've got 3.0h. There are some owners out there who
still have 3.0. They haven't had anything in what must now be at least a
year. Try telling them that SL are doing a wonderful job.
Incidentally I've never purchased a PC or PC software, so I have no idea
how good or bad there efforts are.

: > Secondly, and I'm not griping here, (I applaud the writers of the program)
: > but when I've got a program which actually lets me complete the tutorials
: > in the manual without running up against "unimplemented features", then
: > that is the time to start considering new features, and not before. I am a
: > little peeved that they are spending time writing additions when I haven't
: > even got the completed proggy yet.

: They've got teams working on the program, and a lot of the unimplemented
: stuff is dependant on the same code - and you can't have 2 teams working on
: the same thing. So why not add new features?

To a degree I can accept this point. But there is still (3.0h) a list of
20+ unimplemented features. Now are you telling me that every one of
those bugs is caused by a single piece of code. Without knowing the
structure it's not really relavent what I think. But to the outside world
it looks like they are playing about doing something more interesting
than bug-hunting/feature writing. That's the way I'm beginning to feel,
and I am a very calm, sane, and reasonable person. (That's how axe
murderers are described on TV anyway :)

: > Thirdly you can hardly say that the public releases are monthly. That is
: > a totally false statement.

: No, It's not. Use the BBS for upgrade info.

I'm sorry! Would you like to tell me exactly when 3.0h (or 3.0h2) came
out. Lets see, I got it well before XMas. It's now Feb 28. Sorry,
slightly more than monthly. I'd say on the basis of the last few releases
that we are about 3 monthly.

: > Fourthly, for free rather depends on whether like me you are lucky enough
: > to have free net access. For the rest, it is not free.

: Net access doesn't enter into it. It's the BBS. That's free (less the cost of
: a telephone call)

Again we have this flippant attitude to a phonecall that would probably
end up costing rather a lot. Tell me, do you actually pay your phonebill.
Do you have a bottomless pit of dosh stashed away under your house. I don't.

: > There are lots of people unhappy at the PS3 fiasco. I'm ambivalent. It's
: > not a business issue for me, but a part time thing I dabble in for now.
: > But you posting messages that are smug (and don't try and tell me you
: > aren't bragging about the verion number) and wholly incorrect is merely
: > going to do harm to an already tender subject.

: Who's bragging? I have access to the same thing that _every other registered
: owner_ (with a modem) has - I am by no means special in Soft-Logik's eyes.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmm... Be interesting to find out exactly how many PS3 owners possess a
modem. But perhaps you at least accept that there are some that don't own
one, and ain't solvent enough to buy one.

: Don't flame if you don't know the facts.

I don't believe I was flaming. It's all a matter of viewpoint, and I was
stating mine. The fact that my viewpoint differs to yours does not mean
I'm flaming. I was under the impression that flaming  was where A says
that B is a complete ******** because.... <insert arbritary statement>.
If you read back a page or two, the only reference to flaming was a
statement that "you're gonna get flamed." I did not say "I'm gonna flame
your nuts off."

Regards
SteveB